5 May 2007...12:07 pm

A generous Orthodoxy — Brian McLaren in Pretoria

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A couple of days ago I went to hear Brian McLaren, one of the fundis of the “emerging church” movement, speak in Pretoria. I wrote about my initial reactions here: Notes from underground: Brian McLaren: a generous Orthodoxy. Now here are some further reflections and comments on what he said.

A few months ago, in the Christianity and society discussion forum, Rowland Croucher said

The most literate American guru of the emerging church is probably Brian McLaren (see, eg. his book ‘The Church on the Other Side’; his ‘A Generous Orthodoxy’ is probably as close as anything to being their ’second Bible’).

I couldn’t find McLaren’s books in either the university library or Pretoria bookshops, but I was eventually able to hear him speak.

What he said confirmed what I had begun to suspect from my attempts to follow “the emerging conversation” in the blogosphere — that many of the emerging church people are looking for what the Orthodox Church has had all along, and which the West lost with the onset of modernity through the Renaissance, (Counter)Reformation and the Enlightenment. Been there, done that, got the T- shirt and the canvas conference bag.

Some might want to dismiss that statement as typical “Orthodox triumphalism”, but what McLaren said could have been said by many Orthodox
theologians like Fr Thomas Hopko and several others. He even used Orthodox ikons, so that the face of the Jesus he was talking about was the face of the Jesus I knew, and so what he was saying was familiar culturally as well as theologically.

The only surprise was that what he was saying was so new to many in his audience, and indeed was new to him — but he explained that too — he had
grown up with the Gospel according to St Paul and the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were closed books to him. That’s why his lecture sounded like “New Testament 101: introduction to the gospels, lecture 1″.

So at the risk of being simplistic, I think that if the emerging church movement is post-anything, it is post-evangelical, and especially post-American evangelicalism of the last 20 years or so. I don’t think evangelicalism elsewhere had gone quite so far down that road.

Someone posted a comment on my other blog to the effect that the Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa was looking to Brian McLaren and the emerging church movement for salvation. Certainly it seems that all the people at a camp he went to were white, and most of them were Reformed.

I quote: “I am struggling to hear a single voice in SA saying something negative about McLaren and the Emerging Church (EC). Our denomination (NG)
are seeing him as some new hope (I want to say saviour) for all the woes of the church.”

Well, I don’t have anything negative to say about what I heard Brian McLaren say either. He’s not Orthodox, so no doubt there are some things he says and does that I might not agree with, but what he said the other night seemed close enough to Orthodox theology.

So then there is the mystery — why is it that the books of this fundi on the emerging church movement, who is regarded as the hope of one of the biggest denominations in the country, not available in bookshops or university libraries?

Someone said there was a web site where one could get them, Loot, so I must try that some day.

What I liked most about McLaren’s lecture was that for me he started on familiar and solid ground. Over the last 18 months, when I’ve tried to get a grip on the “emerging church conversation” it has been like walking in a swamp in the dark. No firm ground, no familiar landmarks. People would say things that might make perfect sense to them in their context, but without knowing what their context was, it was hard to interpret what they were saying. I didn’t know where they were coming from.

So, as an Orthodox Christian, I was grateful that Brian McLaren started from that same starting point: Jesus came proclaiming the good news of the Kingdom of God. And the Orthodox Divine Liturgy begins with the priest saying, “Blessed is the Kingdom of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages.” And the people say “Amen.”

And Brian McLaren even explained what “the ages of ages” meant, so I knew we really were on the same page.

He explained why St Matthew referred to the “Kingdom of God” as the “Kingdom of Heaven”. He explained that some had misinterpreted this to mean that heaven is just somewhere you go when you die, and so proclaimed that heaven was where you went when you die, but that was not what Jesus was saying. Someone asked, “But then how do you evangelise?”

Brian McLaren never really answered that question, but I think I can. I was trained in the Evangelism Explosion method of personal evangelism, in which “going to heaven when you die” was the foundation and keystone of evangelism. It started with the question “Have you come to the place where you know for certain that if you were to die tonight, you would go to heaven?”

And, depending on the answer, the pesentation of the gospel went in the order Heaven –> God –> Man –> Christ –> Faith.

From the Orthodox point of view this was not really a presentation of the “full gospel”, but concentrated only on one aspect of the gospel, and by presenting it as if it was the whole thing it could be, and often was, misleading. As I wrote in my thesis on Orthodox mission methods

The content presents the idea of the atonement that has dominated Western theology since the eleventh century when Anselm of Canterbury wrote his Cur Deus homo? God is just and therefore must punish sin, and so sinners cannot enter his presence (Rodger 1989:35). We are all sinners, and so we are excluded from the presence of God. Christ as man took the punishment in our place, and so through faith in him we can enter heaven. This is the juridical theory of the atonement with the emphasis on justification (Aulén 1970:1-2; Hayes 1992a:51). For Orthodox theology it is unacceptable for several reasons. Firstly, it separates two attributes of God, his justice and his mercy, and sets them in opposition to each other (Kalomiros 1980:106). Secondly, it ignores the ontological basis of sin, which therefore creates the false dilemma of “punishment or satisfaction” (Rodger 1989:36). Thirdly, it is simplistic, in that it tends to reduce the mystery of salvation to one dimension. As Lossky (1985:100-101) notes, the juridical aspect of redemption is but one of many such images used in the scriptures, and the juridical expression of Christ’s saving work is an image or simile, as are the other images of salvation.

So an Orthodox presentation of the gospel would not stress the Western doctrine of the atonement as penal substitution, but might follow a different order: The world –> Sin and evil — God –> The Church –> The End.

  1. The world
    1. God made it and put man in charge
    2. Man tried to grab it and evil entered
  2. Sin and evil
    1. Evil has gained a hold on us that we cannot break
    2. The world is now enemy-occupied territory
  3. God
    1. Sent his son Jesus to break the hold of Satan and give us new life through his death and resurrection
    2. Has established a liberated zone in the midst of the enemy-occupied territory
  4. The church
    1. Is called to be the liberated zone of the kingdom of God
    2. Is entered through renouncing our citizenship of the kingdom of Satan, and being “naturalised” as citizens of the kingdom of God by a new birth in water and the Spirit
  5. The end
    1. Ultimately evil will be completely defeated.

And guess what?

Brian McLaren showed two diagrams that illustrated this, though he didn’t use the same terminology. One showd the “consumerist” approach to Christianity, with a large circle representing Self, a smaller one, further away, representing the Church, and a yet smaller one, further away still, representing the World.

Then he showed another, with the World as a big circle, fractured by evil, the Church as a smaller circle within the bigger one, and the Self as a smaller circle still, within the Church.

And that is was a good picture of the Church as the Liberated Zone within the enemy-occupied territoery that is the world. The Orthodox Church doesn’t use such military terminology in its theology, but it is implicit in the theology of baptism, which involves being prised from the clutches of the devil by being exorcised four times, renouncing the devil, turning (literally “converting”) to Christ, accepting him as God and King (compare that with the consumerist “personal saviour”), and then entering the kingdom through baptism.

There are many other things that could be said, but those are a few of the points at which I think Brian McLaren’s presentation spoke to me, because it started in familiar territory.

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  • Coming from the Dutch Reformed Church, I must say that I don’t think that the DRC really consider Brian Mclaren, or his ideas, to be the hope for our church. Mostly because we still have a very large fundamentalistic (as mostly associated with American evangelicalism, in it’s development of the past few decades) group, as well as a very large traditional reformed (Calvinistic) group. For neither Brian Mclaren will provide much hope, rather a new enemy. It’s but a small part of the church which would really associate with his ideas, and I think it’s a small part of our country as well.

  • Cobus,

    I think the bloke who wrote that about Brian McLaren being the hope was probably one of the ones who sees him as an enemy.

  • At least two of McLaren’s books are available at the University of Pretoria library…

    I’m glad you felt it was worthwhile to listen to him!I’m still trying to process all that he said at the Weltevreden-do last Saturday … His view is completely and utterly new to me so it is very interesting to hear others say it is both old and orthodox (I’m busy looking up what orthodox means now!).

  • Cori,

    Unfortunately I don’t have access to the UP library.

    What Brian McLaren said in Pretoria wasn’t new to me, though what he said at Weltevreden may have been, because I didn’t hear it.

    If you want to follow up the bits that I heard, I recommend two books

    Alexander Schmemann, For the life of the world

    Albert Nolan, Jesus before Christianity

    You may be able to find them in the UP library!

    By the way, are you related to Bob Wielinga in Pietermaritzburg? He said he daughter was here, and I wondered if it was you.

  • Yes, I’m his daughter… I saw you on Facebook and saw you also attended UKZN. It’s a small world! Have you met my dad or do you only know him through an email disucssion group (I think around missiology?).

  • just an apprentice

    I believe you are right on in your analysis that much of the emerging church movement represents a post-evangelical, post-protestant, post-consumerist Americanized version of the gospel.

    I appreciate Brian McLaren for many things. First and foremost, his irenic spirit is so needed in the church. His gracious manner, thoughtful words, and global perspective is having a healthy influence on a movement that lacks a well-defined (in my view) ecclesiology. Even as the Reformation grew into institutions out of reactionary impulses (understood by those acting–Luther, Grebel, the Anabaptists, etc.) as guided by the Holy Spirit, so too has the emergent conversation and movement been caste as an attempt to create space for a more faithful response to the gospel (missional, communal, ancient-future, etc.).

    These authentic impulses must also ask some important questions about the Church if it will be a movement lasting more than a generation.

    Brian

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  • Hmm, having read most of Mclaren’s books, and heard him speak, yes he was gracious and raised some good questions, but…. his take on history was full of anti-institutional bias and quite inaccurate. His answers are basically theological liberalism and relativism. And “Generous Orthodoxy” is neither. Very unhealthy book IMHO. Takes people into a wilderness and leaves them there. Becuase that’s where he is now- lost. May God lead him to the Church.

  • Fr John,

    Thanks for the comment — I still haven’t found any of his books to read, so what I said is based on one occasion on which I heard him speak.

  • Theodore A. Jones

    Go to “the speaker of truth” and Dave Warnock to really get in the frey.

  • Steve
    I have yet to read McLaren, but have been on my own journey this last year. But defining “emergence” has been a way of naming a very real move out of a 15-year post-evangelical hiatus for me.

    I can’t imaging how this might be seen a “lost”. It’s certainly far more relative, its more mystical, its boundaries are more blurred, but it is both a homecoming (although at the moment there don’t seem to be many people in SA in this space) and its more in line with what we now know about the world.

    I’m very interested in your particular mix of liberalism and orthodoxy, and I imagine that the tensions it creates are actually creative opportunities.

  • Much depends on what you mean by “liberalism” – there is political, economic and theological liberalism. I’m in favour of the first, but not so much the other two.

  • this idea that the juridic atonement artificially separates God’s mercy and
    justice and opposes them, is nonsense.
    First off, God’s anger, unlike that of
    the unrighteous, has its origins in His
    love of us, of how He wants things to
    be, etc., and the offended ego of the
    unrighteous is not comparable to the
    idea of offended ego of God, because
    they have no such right to supreme
    dignity, while God does, and because
    they are merciless and petty about it,
    and God has great noblesse oblige.

    Secondly, the so called juridic idea is the very BASIS of all that your talk of God establishing a liberated zone or whatever.
    The idea you present is right out of evangelicalism, and is where I first saw it, and is not wrong, but you leave out a crucial point.

    (1) Not only God The Father but the whole
    Trinity receives the sacrifice of Jesus (Blachernae-Constantinople AD 1156 clarified this), (2) Having condemned us to expulsion, and then paying the debt for us now the One of the Three who condemned, and agreed before creation itself (”lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world”) has paid the debt and now goes and releases those who are on the devil’s turf in the land of exile.
    (compare exile to Siberia.)
    (3) the non juridic non substitutionary sacrifice idea is inadequate, it presents an even more senseless picture of suffering, since no atonement is made,
    (4) all this comes out of the Mosaic sacrificial system and must be understood in context of this

    Take a look at Vladimir Moss “HOCNA and The Dogma of Redemption” where
    he shows that this newfangled nonsense being presented as “Orthodox” in seminaries and catechism is a heresy invented by Met. Khrapovitsky. Kalomiros
    is part of all this.

    For the most part, fire is indicative of judgement. Kalomiros engages in the most egregious sloppy thinking and even blasphemously rewrites Jesus’ words not into a decent paraphrase, but into an extended lecture incl. things that don’t even resemble what He said, going so far
    as to compare coming to church to visiting Him trapped in human nature, which effectively denies a physical resurrection of the dead and value of the human nature.

  • Mary Christine,

    I once read about Khrapovitsky’s theory, though I can’t remember where, and I can’t even remember what it was. I do remember at the time that I didn’t agree with it, but I forget why.

    The the way I described it above is based primarily on the baptism service, and commentary on it by Fr Alexander Schmemann.

  • Mary Christine Erikson

    “The the way I described it above is based primarily on the baptism service”

    I do not understand, what in the baptism service represents
    Khrapovitsky’s teaching, or repudiates the penal substitution
    angle outright?

  • “I do not understand, what in the baptism service represents Khrapovitsky’s teaching, or repudiates the penal substitution angle outright?”

    Nor do I.

    As I said, I don’t recall Khrapovitsky’s teaching well enough, and did not say that anything in the baptism service represents his teaching.

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